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Old 03-06-2011, 10:18 AM   #1
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co2 vs. nitrogen

I am looking into getting a 10lb. co2 tank for airing up tires. The guy at the local welding shop seems to think nitrogen would be better. I would think if it was better, I would see more people using it. Any opinions? I want, light, cheap, most air ups per tank.
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CO2 is a liquid at tank pressures and thus has much more volume when used for airing up. BUT, CO2 combines with moisture to form carbonic acid, although the percentages are low (0.2%). Carbonic acid is used for soda pop and other bubbly drinks. Acids catalyze the rusting of steel.

Nitrogen would be better, as it's dry and very inert. But CO2 gives you what you asked for. Try to keep the insides of your tires & wheels dry to minimize the reaction. Gas station air, as with most common compressed air, is very wet. Although N2 molecules are slightly smaller than O2 mloecules, that doesn't make a lot of difference 'cause Nitrogen makes up about 80% of air, and Oxygen only (about) 20%. And nitrogen, being largely inert, doesn't react with rubber as does oxygen.

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Race cars use nitro

Many race teams use Nitrogen. The molecoules are larger than air and tires tend to not "lose" pressure.

On the otherhand..
My buddy uses co2 for his rig and also runs his air wrench with it.
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Use co2. The reason is that the liquid boils off to vapor . This is what you use in place of compressed air allowancesing extended tank time. Nitrogen wouldnt be much better than air because you just using it in a compressed state not a liquid to vapor state like co2 for the intent ur using it for (extended tank time).
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I was just given ya' a hard time, I kinda figured it might be the phone.

I would use whichever had the most capacity for sure, and i think Co2 can probably hold more because it's liquid state.


My buddy had a small home made CO2 tank from a helium canister he bought at a flower shop (go figure). Anywas we went on a jeep (ick) meet for a weekend, and everyone was using his tank. From re-seating tires(lots of those) to using air impacts that little sucker held a LOT of air. Enough that everyone kept coming over to our campsite to borrow it for a few minutes anyways, it lasted the entire 3-day weekend. We used the last of it to air up 12 tires on three rigs for the trip home.

He did have a poor quality regulator, that kept freeing up I hear that does not happen with the good ones.
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also nitrogon dose not expand and contract as much as the tempriture fuctuats so 10 psi in summer should still be close to 10 psi in winter
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I was just given ya' a hard time, I kinda figured it might be the phone.

I would use whichever had the most capacity for sure, and i think Co2 can probably hold more because it's liquid state.


My buddy had a small home made CO2 tank from a helium canister he bought at a flower shop (go figure). Anywas we went on a jeep (ick) meet for a weekend, and everyone was using his tank. From re-seating tires(lots of those) to using air impacts that little sucker held a LOT of air. Enough that everyone kept coming over to our campsite to borrow it for a few minutes anyways, it lasted the entire 3-day weekend. We used the last of it to air up 12 tires on three rigs for the trip home.

He did have a poor quality regulator, that kept freeing up I hear that does not happen with the good ones.
The steel helium tank will eventually rust out.

In my area, a nitrogen refill is about $10 bucks after tax and the co2 in the small aluminum soft drink dispenser size is $30 plus I don't think the nitrogen regulator will freeze up like the co2 does. Co2 works great with an impact but I don't use my good one with it, I have a Walmart special for that just in case.

And always use a regulator that will keep you at pressures safe for the air hose you are using.
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I would lean toward CO2...More use for a comparable price, and the downsides are neglible.
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I tested this I can fill my 4 40's and pretty much drain a 40 cubic foot N2 tank.

My 40 cubic foot co2 tank will fill them many times

co2 with out a doubt
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I tested this I can fill my 4 40's and pretty much drain a 40 cubic foot N2 tank.

My 40 cubic foot co2 tank will fill them many times

co2 with out a doubt
good to know from real world experience, I had been told that the nitrogen went furthur than co2. I know I can usually run my small co2 tank for the entire summer. It is the one that is the same size as the power tank.
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Interesting ... When I was into paintballing all the cool kids where getting nitro
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I always use co2 in my paintball gun. Sucks in cold weather, you can't use full auto very much or it freezes up. I don't think nitro freezes so that's why when you have a itchy trigger finger they stay away from co2 and run nitro.
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For those who may want to have a C02 setup maybe someone has OR knows of a write up or a link to a page about DIY C02 setups...Something that points a person in the right direction to put together a nice useable/refillable minimal freezing setup on the cheap? (as opposed to buying a name brand setup).
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Thanks for the info. There are a couple threads on other sites about how to build your own co2 setup. I dont remember where but google diy powertank.
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I have a 20 lb alum. tank. Cost me 10 bucks to fill up. Last a really long time. I now carry my impact gun and sockets. Works really good for tire changes, airing up and fire extinguishing!

Any compressed liquid with a very low boiling point (that is innert) is a better option than a compressed gas. The pressure will remain the same till all of the liquid has boiled off, forming gas within the tank. The transition of the liquid to a gas state is what keeps the pressure within the vessel. This is how aerisol cans and LPG tanks keep there pressure till empty. A consequence to the vaporization of the liquid is the lack of heat (cold). This is how most refrigerants work. When the gas (CO2) is exposed to the atmosphere in its cooled state is freezes the ambient moisture causing icing in/on tools. Not a big deal when your on the trail. The molecule is alot larger than a O2 molecule but doesn't have the same stability characteristics like Nitrogen when heated and cooled. So Nitrogen is better to keep consistent pressures. Who cares about this when down to 5 psi on the trail!
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it is easy to do, go to a welding shop and buy or lease a co2 bottle, then buy an adjustable regulator, set the regulator at about 150lbs or less if it is cold to prevent freezeup, thread your quick attack hose connectors on to the regulator and you are done. They can be set up for around $175 for everything if you buy the bottle. Maybe less if you shop around some. If you do a lease you probably will have to put up a good size deposit so I just own mine. Cost to refill is about $30 for the one that is about knee high.
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What kind of bracket are you using in your Samurai for a 20 lb. bottle to keep from moving around.
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I have the same tank in my sj410,I just built a doo hicky that welded to my cage and use a tie down strap to keep it from popping out of its mount.



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I ran square stock from one rear seat lap belt mount to the other. This is behind the rear seat. I welded two piece of square stock to the top of the previous bar. These pieces have slits in them. The slits are big enought to accommodate the following set up; 2 inch alum. Flat stock long enough to go half wAy around the bottle, small racket strap and a length of trash pun hose. Run the alum and trap through the hose then run all of it through the flat stock with the slits. Bend the alum stock inside of with the strap inside of hose around the bottle and racket it down. the bottle fits perfect between the back seat and tail gate.
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Me either. I need to see it to understand what you are describing. Sounds like a good location.
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