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Old 09-07-2011, 08:13 AM   #1
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16 valve idle

Got my 16 v swap done and it seems to run well. The motor has a pretty high cold idle (2500 rpm). During the warm up the motor will drop rpm and then raise back up like its searching for the right idle. I think one of the guys that helped me do the install messed with the idle adjustment screw. Is this bad? I know I need to check the TPS to see if its ok, but I was wondering if anybody had any other ideas. I read on kick-fix.com a little but couldn't find much. My motor is a 1995 1.6 16 valve.
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Got my 16 v swap done and it seems to run well. The motor has a pretty high cold idle (2500 rpm). During the warm up the motor will drop rpm and then raise back up like its searching for the right idle. I think one of the guys that helped me do the install messed with the idle adjustment screw. Is this bad? I know I need to check the TPS to see if its ok, but I was wondering if anybody had any other ideas. I read on kick-fix.com a little but couldn't find much. My motor is a 1995 1.6 16 valve.
I can assure you this is not normal and my previous experience of this description has always been fixed with a new Throttle Body gasket. If you spray carb cleaner at the base of the square gasket (4 bolts) attaching the TB to the plenum and you get a idle up then you can try tightening the bolts or must replace this gasket.

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Myron nailed it. seems like everyone we mess with around here has the same issue. when you replace the gasket,dont use 3 tubes of RTV on it
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Sprayed the carb cleaner around and got no idle up. I ordered a gasket any way and I will start there. Is it ok to adjust the screw or are you supposed to leave it after setting your TPS?
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Sprayed the carb cleaner around and got no idle up. I ordered a gasket any way and I will start there. Is it ok to adjust the screw or are you supposed to leave it after setting your TPS?
I have adjusted that screw with good effects in the past.

I also had a hard time getting it to idle up by spraying carb cleaner on it. It was loose on the bottom and it got fixed with a new gasket. What you should be have is a "surge". This problem almost got me killed a few years back. I was asked at an event to pose on a rock above a canyon. When I dropped down onto the rock the engine surged and I couldn't stop the rig. When the front tires went over I looked at my wife and said we were going to die. Looking at the picture doesn't really show how far up we were. We probably wouldn't have died but I wouldn't want to find out. Fortuneatly, the front dif dug into the last bit of rock ledge and I had enough time to hit the kill switch. Pucker factor for sure. I use a pcture of that on my business card to remember that ez fix.

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Man thats a bummer My! I ordered a gasket last night. After coming off cold warm up or high idle and its warmed up it seems to be searching for the right place to idle, but not to much only a few hundred rpms.
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is this specific to the 16v, or can the gasket cause this with an 8v too?
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Man thats a bummer My! I ordered a gasket last night. After coming off cold warm up or high idle and its warmed up it seems to be searching for the right place to idle, but not to much only a few hundred rpms.
Again you are describing that "surge" hope you find I am correct. In any case have you checked the IAC? Blue connector going into the plenum. Have someone turn key on and off and see if you feel the IAC open and close. It is a controlled vacuum leak for maintaining idle.

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is this specific to the 16v, or can the gasket cause this with an 8v too?
Totally different thing on a surging 8v. Bring it by the shop and I will adjust the wax plug for you.

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Again you are describing that "surge" hope you find I am correct. In any case have you checked the IAC? Blue connector going into the plenum. Have someone turn key on and off and see if you feel the IAC open and close. It is a controlled vacuum leak for maintaining idle.

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No but I will!! I'm on graves this week so hopefully I can get time to look into this. Also when starting cold it runs really high rpm above 2,000 rpm, Is this normal?
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old thread but my 16v idle is surging.
it doesn't do it every time.

did you ever get your idle surge fixed ?

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old thread but my 16v idle is surging.
it doesn't do it every time.

did you ever get your idle surge fixed ?

My sidekick did that as well, I discovered a complete cleaning of the EGR circuit cleaned up the idle issue, as well as provided more power throughout the rpm range. The EGR was not compeltely closing/sealing.
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My sidekick did that as well, I discovered a complete cleaning of the EGR circuit cleaned up the idle issue, as well as provided more power throughout the rpm range. The EGR was not compeltely closing/sealing.
I will start there.
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i had the same probleme exept it was doing it when i was holding the gas steady wile cruising in the trail

turns out it was the tps
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i had the same probleme exept it was doing it when i was holding the gas steady wile cruising in the trail

turns out it was the tps
I will try unplugging the TPS and see if that changes anything.
I think unplugging it is how I can check to see if it is causing the problem ... ??

Thanks for the suggestion !
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I will try unplugging the TPS and see if that changes anything.
I think unplugging it is how I can check to see if it is causing the problem ... ??

Thanks for the suggestion !
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old thread but my 16v idle is surging.
it doesn't do it every time.

did you ever get your idle surge fixed ?

I haven't had a chance to put my gasket in yet, hopefully in the next few weeks, I will get around to it.
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I tried un hooking the TPS sensor and it had no effect other than to throw the cel.
I took off the air intake and looked passed the throttle plate and I can see the small hole inside has a very small amount of carbon build up. The next thing to try is pulling the EGR and associated tubing and try cleaning it out.

Mine is running sometimes just fine, no problems.
Then later it will idle up for a few seconds drop down to idle then immediately bounce back up to about 1200rpm and hold it for a few seconds before dropping back down, then back up.

It does NOT surge while driving it. I've tried slow speed driving along and it seems to run fine.

Anything else I should be looking at ??

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GOT IT.

I went to take off the EGR to clean it and the top bolt was loose.
I tightened it up and checked the bottom bolt.

Been driving it a couple of days with no more of the surging idle.

Thank you for all the info and ideas.
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